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Coming from Brave recently is their new P3A feature which you can read about here from their blog. In short, the P3A is a private product analytics feature which keeps the identity of the user hidden but gives Brave insights of various features being used. 


 

Today’s centralized companies analyze their data in order to improve functionality for their users. This has been a common practice, but with Brave’s system of having this data hidden only for the user, it can create problems for Brave to see where functionality is not working. Potentially P3A can solve this issue in order to make the best product. 


 

How does P3A work? 

 

P3A stands for Privacy-Preserving Product Analytics. And will work in two phases. The P3A will be available under the Security and Privacy settings to have on or off. Phase 1 will send a single answer to a single question, one at a time. Allowing you to answer quickly via multiple choice. For example: 

 

Question: Number of open tabs

Answers:

  1. 0-1

  2. 2-5

  3. 6-10

  4. 11-50

 

You can view the questions here that are planning to be used. 


 

Phase 2 is a more complicated solution. Phase 1 allows Brave to identify straight forward answers but doesn’t allow combined answer solutions. As Brave put it,

 

“We can count how many people completed onboarding, and we can count how many people imported their bookmarks, but we don’t know how many of the people who completed onboarding also imported bookmarks.” 

 

Phase 2 allows a protocol to identify these stats by using, oblivious shuffling. This means the software combines individual answers into batches and other software running on the same machine (i.e., Brave) can’t work out which inputs correspond to which outputs. Thus can identify the combined answers, without knowing the identity of the user data. 


 

The timeline for this feature are the following dates: 

 

  • August 2019 – Phase 1 of the P3A implementation is released into nightly channel on the desktop browser.  

  • September 2019 – Phase 1 of P3A enters beta. Phase 2 is merged down to nightly.

  • October 2019 – Phase 1 of P3A enters general release.  Phase 2 enters beta.

  • October – November 2019 – Phase 2 of P3A enters general release.

  • After November 2019 – As part of continual product improvement, Brave will gradually collect new measurements.  

 


 

Questions for this Task: 

 

  • Without knowing real stats for Brave usage because of protecting users data/identity, does this fully solve the issue? 

 

  • What else could Brave do to solve this?

 

  • One word answer notifications are used by other IT companies, do you find yourself voluntarily answering such questions? 

  

Thank you!





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QuestionnaireNot sure if you need it but I usually have 11-50 tabs open. 

1- yes I think from my limited understanding of the issiesnthisnshould gonanlongbway to solve the problem. 

2- offer bat to users who are willing to participate in Questionnaires

3- I would absolutely helpmwoth short answers to help the great platform!

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8 hours ago

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1 week ago

  • Without knowing real stats for Brave usage because of protecting users data/identity, does this fully solve the issue? 

- Yes, with P3A in both phase 1 and phase 2 it will work. For the user, the less data the better.

  • What else could Brave do to solve this?

- Informed consent to users. 

  • One word answer notifications are used by other IT companies, do you find yourself voluntarily answering such questions? 

- With privacy at the forefront, the answer would be based on the question and the information that needs to be given. Today this aspect is very much violated, so we must ensure that everything is 100% anonymous and secure.

1 week ago

Diovanne Sagosoy expert

A SIMPLE TRADER

Without knowing real stats for Brave usage because of protecting users data/identity, does this fully solve the issue?

Brave tried developing P3A, A private product analytics feature which keeps the identity of the user that is not also protecting users data/identity.

What else could Brave do to solve this?

i think you must a set of option to the user , i think the is a must to decided if they want

One word answer notifications are used by other IT companies, do you find yourself voluntarily answering such questions? 

no, i think first if maybe its a type data collecting questions

1 week ago

1.) p3a sounds like analytics with an extra step, not to mention it's a ludicrous idea, who cares which user uses this or that functionality, there are exactly 0 reasons to keep this information private. On the other hand you require KYC for bat payouts, lipservice much?

2.) use an UX research team, like you should be doing already

3.) would you ask these questions voluntarily if your financial stability didn't depend on it?  

1 week ago

Al Wallace guru

Food and cryptocurrency blogger with a diverse interest in investment/ crypto

1> I belive that the P3A solution should go someways to helping Brave solve some of the issues they have been having with finding out how the product is being used as it wil provide some non user specific data for Brave to work on which will allow their users to feel their privacy is still being respected, a key selling point for Brave. I do wonder whether people might question the motivations as although, ultimately, Brave is asking questions that cannot identify the user its a fairly small step to data harvesting.

2> perhaps brave could set u some sort of 3rd party program to take things like bug reports, usage data etc and then strip it of it's indentifying information. name, Ip address etc before sending it onto brave to be analysed as a totally anonomous piece of information that would then allow Brave to look at issues bugs, usage withut directly trying to extract information. Submissions could be rewarded via a smart contract in BAT and building this on the blockchain and make the code open source would provide transparency for the users that the data was being analysed with the identity data attached to it as stated. 

You could also recruit a test group who would voluntarily alow you to monitor their usage for a set period of time on the proviso that a) you would delete all of their data once you had finished with it and b) you would recompense them for thier time (presumably with a BAT payment) this would mean that you could have a small focus group who you could invite to participate in many different ways and the vast majority of users would not be affected or asked questions which interrupt their usage. 

 

3> I have to say i find pop up questions pretty annoying so i believe you would maybe have to attach some kind of reward structure to doing that. So, for example, answer 10 questions and recieve an amount in Bat, I dont belive it would have to be a lot just a small token incentive.

 

2 weeks ago

1. If protecting user information would mean a reduction in the user stats to be analyse then so be it, user privacy should not be compromise for stats, so on your end the one that has the lesser weight should be substituted out.

2. By finding more anonymous way to gather data maybe also through the icognitio browsing function.

3. I might answer or I Will answer in so far as my privacy is 100% safe, bacuse blockchain was meant for anonymous usage.

Looking forward to betters ways ahead.

2 weeks ago

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2 weeks ago

I don't see a problem? Brave is Brave because of its privacy measures. This is what is making Brave so popular and definitly the products 'point-of-difference'. However if you start down the road of P3A you are edging closer and closer to becoming just another browser. If you want to test functionality etc then you should have IT people use the browser and run regular test? Why do we have to loose privacy? I trhink this completely goes against what BRAVE STANDS FOR. Maybe I am wrong.. but I feel like this is a bit of a sell out. 

Have a team that regularly use and run tests on the browser. Feedback from users also should identitfy any unnoticed issues that arise. 

No I dont answer these questions. 

I love Brave browser. I just don't know about all this P3A stuff. 

2 weeks ago

1- with the little knowledge I have acquired so far I think it will go a long way to solve the issues 

2- they offer a reward to those willing to participate and make use of their app which will be very beneficial in the long run 

3- yes I will gladly volunteer 

2 weeks ago

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2 weeks ago

all applications have advantages and disadvantages, for me brave is a good application for the internet, user data is very safe, and the only drawback for me is the problem of passwords that cannot be automatically saved in the browser

2 weeks ago

Karen M guru

That would be nice to save password in browser. I have started a notebook for all the phrases/passwords etc from tasks on crowdholding. In my few months here so far, there have been quite a few downloads/new accounts etc.

2 weeks ago

Alex Chau new user

1)  Of coruse!

2) I'm not really know

3) Yes!!!!!!!

 

Good luck and have a good forture.

2 weeks ago

Ryan Dodds new user

1) Yes it does seem to protect users identities while collecting some information.

2) Allow users to opt in to less private solutions with the chance to earn more BAT.

3) Yes, one word answers are quick and easy to answer. 

2 weeks ago

ezra levinger new user

QuestionnaireNot sure if you need it but I usually have 11-50 tabs open. 

1- yes I think from my limited understanding of the issiesnthisnshould gonanlongbway to solve the problem. 

2- offer bat to users who are willing to participate in Questionnaires

3- I would absolutely helpmwoth short answers to help the great platform!

2 weeks ago

I have a picture that users are concerned about their privacy using the Brave browser. The user ought to be absolutely assure that their data remains private. 

2 weeks ago

Wagner Tamanaha new user

Here are my answers:

1. Yes.

2. Make all the rules clear and let the user opt-out whenever he want, even retroactive if possible.

3. Yes.

Thanks and good luck again!

2 weeks ago

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2 weeks ago

NARUTO RAPHEAL guru

I am a Mechanical Engineer with expertise in power and Mecha-tronics. An Entrepreneur

1. In all the crypto tasks and in brave browser usgae to be presice the main choice of functionality is protecting users information, so this should be the very first thing that should be considered. If within the p3a there is a chance that users information might be leaked than a better way should be provided to make things work out well, because privacy is the keyword here. 

2. I would suggest that users should be given the right to choose if there anonymous data should be sent or not and the right should be solely with the user. 

3. The answers i would give and the willingness to give would be based upon the question asked and the information to be sent, because for me privacy always comes first.

In all these the customer privacy should always come first before any other issues. 

2 weeks ago

1. I think it is more important to protect the actual user data/identity than to know real stats for usage. So we are using Brave instead. Right? Has Brave tried developing P3A, a private product analytics feature which keeps the identity of the user hidden but gives Brave insights of various features being used in order to completely solve the problem of usage statistics?

2. It will take some time for Brave to solve the issue, but it can be resolved by Brave. 

3. Yes, usually I tend to answer one word answer voluntarily.

3 weeks ago

De Gem guru

Cryptocurrency enthusiast, avid reader, rapper and SDG advocate.

- Without knowing real stats for Brave usage because of protecting users data/identity, does this fully solve the issue? 

I think I have to agree that this fully solves the issue. Up until it was explained, I was wondering how you would be able to acquire user information without interfering with user privacy but it has been deftly done with P3A. I'm not much of a computer science/programming/web design expert but I sincerely believe the prototype (or beta) for both the phase 1 and phase 2 P3As will work out when tested. 

- What else could Brave do to solve this?

Can't really think of much but can't you track the user data using only location, and matching received data to user(s) based on the quantity of info coming from a particular location? I know it sounds vague but it's a suggestion.

- One word answer notifications are used by other IT companies, do you find yourself voluntarily answering such questions?

Yes, I do. If you also mean statements such as "Did we answer your question well?", "How would you rate us? Bad, average, good, very good or excellent?", etc. then yes I answer that sometimes.

3 weeks ago

Igor Silverio senior

This was the great project of all time Ii install it and using it for almost a year nice job fpr the team behind this project any circumstances and problem like you have will solve it by the system you have don't worry too much we trust on you guys !!!

3 weeks ago

Ryan Olesen guru

Have acted as an advisor on multiple blockchain & crypto currency related ICO's!

Yes think its a fantastic approach and I'd be happy to participate in this and any other addition to the Brave platform or BAT project!

3 weeks ago

  • I can't imagine lots of people completing the questions, or it's mandatory? Whatsoever it will interrupt the UX, so I think it is not the best idea... Also to me it seems a bit old fashioned to solve the issue by multiple-choice questions. Obviously for Brave it's a very sensitive issue to send user data, by this practice they would lose their reputation as a privacy-respecting browser.
  • But what if you users could decide (off as default), that their anonymized user data could be sent for analyzing to Brave (like Firefox does, and Firefox was always the first choice for privacy-focused users, at least before Brave). Users willing to share their (anonymized) data should also be rewarded with BAT token.
  • Usually I don't answer these questions, I am very much annoyed by these questions.

3 weeks ago

Ethan Clime guru

CEO of Crowdholding.com

That's an interesting point. Not everyone is concerned about being protected, as some feel they have "nothing to hide," if they are able to use a service for free in exchange for data. And to earn BAT for letting their data be shared sounds like a good approach.

2 weeks ago

I mean to share just user statistics and similar, no IP addresses, email-addresses, phone numbers, visited sites etc. But everything in the questions is not too sensitive, I would eventually share that data.

2 weeks ago

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1. Yes, it will bring some relief from the look of it but only time will tell if it solves the problem.

 

2. I will leave what can be done to the technical experts.

3. I am capable of answering most of the questions so yes. I see myself answering the questions voluntarily.

3 weeks ago

dr dent18 expert

-It definitely solves a lot of problems faced by users. Its great to see brave trying to implement such technology to their product.

- Really dint know how to solve it.

- I would definitely answer such questions only if its on brave.

3 weeks ago

Karen M guru

I'm by no means a tech person but from what I've read, I think this will work. Once you implement P3A, and check the analytics, you'll have a better idea if it really solved the problem. I say try it. I know  you have a Brave community for problems/troubleshooting. Encourage users to use that for issues which will help your functionality. I would answer one word questions to help Brave obtain the information needed to improve/succeed.

 

3 weeks ago

Dean Walsh guru

Don't listen to me because of who I am, I'm nobody like everone else.

This looks like a really great innovation to me, I've always thought there are technical solution to many issues like this which often aren't explored. I do think this looks, to my amateur eye, like it solves the problem.

I don't know how much it related to Brave (certainly not to this bulk data analytics issue) but I think often tech companies ignore the possibility of making use of the data directly on the users machine and rather than sending it off to a server to be processed and then the results sent back.

I don't remember having these one word answer notificationsbefore so I can't say more about that.

3 weeks ago

Nuno Caeiro expert

I’m software developer/team leader for 15+ years

I value my data privacy and that’s why I move to Brave browser. P3A seems to have a fairly balance between privacy and give what users like the most. So, in my opinion, solves the last one.

As long as don’t comprise my data privacy I’ve no problem to answering one word notifications

3 weeks ago

mike dmann guru

I am excited about the future of all crypto currency.

Glad you have an option for this. Even though companies claim my identity is private while collecting my data, and then months later finding out my data wasn't protected like promised. This makes me very sceptical.Does the p3a solve this problem? Possibly, maybe, IDK! If this is oh so true then why would we need KYC for implementation on brave wallet?

What else can yah do? Maybe a one time pad. Maybe five factor authentication.  

I do not find myself answering voluntary, one word answer, questions and if I do I usually lie.

It's a great browser, can't wait profit on BAT.

3 weeks ago

Fred Blauer guru

Open for business

Yes, I think that this is a reasonable approach, and would be happy to participate. 

3 weeks ago